Can a Person Be Born Before They Die? A PLR Case That Left Me With a Question

Questions and Answers
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Hi dear Amarantions​:folded_hands:

I have a doubt and would appreciate some clarification regarding a recent PLR case I worked with this week.

The overall session went very well, However, there is one particular experience she repeatedly described that I am finding difficult to understand logically, and even the client herself is questioning it after the session.

I would really like to know if anyone here has encountered a similar case or has any references that could help me understand this better.

Session progression:

In her first session, she mentioned a lifetime where she experienced herself as a queen. She described details about that lifetime, her last thoughts as a queen before her death, and what she experienced or perceived as life after her death.

In the second session, she mentioned a story involving a murder that may have been committed by her, and described the events and story related to it.

In this third session, she experienced everything I am mentioning below, which is what has left me with this particular doubt.

Background

The client came for the session mainly because she wanted to understand the death of her husband and why she has been left alone.

They had a love marriage, moved to the UK, were blessed with a son, and were together for almost 17 years. Both were working. Financially and at all levels, they improved a lot compared to earlier.

Later, her husband developed cancer. They tried treatment for around 2–3 years, but unfortunately, despite doing everything one fine day he passed away.

During the PLR session, she experienced a very strong encounter involving her husband.

She repeatedly described seeing an intense amount of light. At one point she was even blinking her eyes and asking something like, “Why is there so much light? Did you switch on any light?”

Within that light, she saw her husband.

She described him as being very happy, peaceful and warmly welcoming her. He opened his arms, hugged her, and reassured her not to worry about him.

Later, she also described seeing several ancestors, including her departed father and her neighbour and friend in the UK who had recently died in the Nepal floods.

This part of the experience was emotionally very strong for her.

The part that confused me was:

During the trance state, she repeatedly mentioned something that seems logically impossible for me to understand.

She said that approximately six months before her husband died, a baby boy had been born into the same family*(her husband’s brother’s son). And she mentioned *That baby boy is my husband .”

I asked her more than once during the trance whether she was sure, and she consistently mentioned that the baby who had already been born was the same person as her husband, who was still alive at that time.

At that point, I did not challenge the experience or ask leading questions about how that could be possible. I simply allowed her to continue describing what she was experiencing.

*After the session* , both of us started thinking about the chronology.

So I asked her one additional question:

“When you actually met this baby for the first time, how was your feeling?”

She said that when she first saw the baby, she immediately experienced a strong feeling that something about her husband’s presence or feeling had come to her through the baby.

But at the time, she dismissed the feeling because it didn’t seem logical.

What is puzzling her now is that, during the PLR session, she independently described the same connection repeatedly, even though she herself now says:

Maybe something went wrong in my head. Maybe there is some mismatch. I don’t know how I came to say this repeatedly during the session.

She says the feeling is extremely strong, but when she looks at the chronology logically, it doesn’t make sense to her or to me

So the clarification I’m seeking right now is:

Has anyone encountered a case where a client reported something similar — where they perceived a person as having already taken birth before the actual person had died?

In other words, according to the client’s experience:

Her husband is still alive → the perceived husband is already born (6 months ago) → and in the PLR session, the same husband is talking to her.

I understand that this raises obvious questions about chronology, but I’m simply trying to understand whether there are documented PLR/reincarnation cases, therapeutic literature, or references describing anything similar.

If anyone has encountered such a case, read about one, or has any reference material that could help me understand how to approach this with the client, I would really appreciate it.

Any insights, case references, or suggestions on how you would approach this would be very helpful. :folded_hands:

Thank you in advance. :herb:

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@Santhi_Akula very interesting.you can check on the post on soul splits on our forum

In the book "Journey of souls"Dr Michael Newton does mention about soul splitting and incarnating simultaneously.

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I was also going to mention this article but you beat me to it! This is a very interesting concept and I still haven’t explored much.

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Twin flames is the same concept. Thanks

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I have not read your full case but sticking my neck out to respond only from the heading of your post.

I was reminded of a discussion I had with my father. He had then, mentioned the Soul also does time slicing like the processor in our computers.
Based on the time slicing theory it’d seem probable that there can be parallel life

Maybe, once I read the full case I’ll be able to recollect more of that discussion with my father (which was maybe 25+years before I came to Amarantos) and elaborate further.

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Very unique question; it might be connected to the soul fragments, though i dont have idea exactly what is soul fragment.

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Wow :star_struck:

This is where reading the lives of genuine Realised Masters/Saints come to help us my blessed @Santhi_Akula One instance that comes to mind is of Sri Swami Rama of Himalayan Academy, you can read these two books around him, “Living with the Himalayan Masters” and “At the Eleventh hour” and you will find the answers.

Brillant question @Santhi_Akula , you are also from IT hence such a high IQ, keep it up.

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(I’m not sure if this counts)

I’ve encountered similar things like these while communicating with animals telepathically. They show me that they are in light and also in the physical body. When asked more about this, they have told me that the soul is fragmented.

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इस case में मुझे सबसे intriguing बात “impossible chronology” से भी आगे दिखाई देती है। Client ने केवल कोई isolated image नहीं दी; उसने एक specific relational identity repeatedly experienced की—पति की मृत्यु से लगभग छह महीने पहले जन्मे बच्चे को वही पति बताना। और महत्वपूर्ण बात यह है कि therapist ने उस contradiction को trance में forcefully resolve नहीं किया, बल्कि experience को unfold होने दिया। यही restraint मुझे valuable लगा।

As a learner, I would look at this through three different lenses rather than immediately choosing one explanation.

First — the experiential lens.
For the client, the experience appears to have been internally coherent and emotionally powerful. Her later recollection that she had already felt an inexplicable sense of her husband’s presence when she first met the baby makes the material even more interesting. But subjective coherence and objective chronology are two different things.

Second — the temporal lens.
Our ordinary model is linear:

Birth → Life → Death → Rebirth.

But this experience seems to challenge that sequence:

Life A continuing → Life B already present → Life A ending.

That immediately raises the possibility of concepts such as parallel incarnation, non-linear time, soul-splitting, or simultaneous manifestation. Interestingly, such ideas are already being discussed within the forum in relation to this case, including references to “soul splitting” and Michael Newton’s work.

But I would personally treat those as interpretive models, not explanations established by this case.

Third — the memory/psychological lens.
There is another possibility worth protecting: the mind may construct identity and chronology differently in an altered state. The baby may have become a powerful symbolic carrier of the husband’s presence, particularly because the client had already experienced that unusual familiarity when she first encountered him. The fact that the client herself subsequently questioned the chronology is important—it shows that the experience did not simply override her critical awareness.

What I found especially valuable was the therapist’s decision not to lead the client toward an explanation. That, for me, is the real methodological strength of the case.

कभी-कभी PLRT में सबसे महत्वपूर्ण बात यह नहीं होती कि हमें उत्तर मिल गया—बल्कि यह कि हमने अनुभव को बिना अपनी मान्यता थोपे पूरी तरह unfold होने दिया।

I would also be very interested in what happens if such experiences are prospectively documented: exact statements, sequence, timing, what was known before the session, what was verified afterward, and whether similar chronology anomalies recur across independent cases.

That could help us distinguish between:

an unusual trance experience → a recurring experiential pattern → a proposed model of consciousness.

For me, this case therefore doesn’t necessarily answer whether a person can be born before they die.

It does something more interesting—it asks whether our linear model of time is sufficient to describe every kind of experience that can emerge in trance.

And perhaps that is the question I would carry forward from this case, rather than trying to close it with an answer too quickly.

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I think it is the magic of DHI. As she loved very much to her husband and she is very much attached to him.

Her question was Why she is has been left alone. And the DHI has given the answer that she is not alone. He is still with her.

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Time is linear only for physical 3D life. All our lives are happening simultaneously. Think of them as parallel lives. So yes, it is possible to tap into them. I have experienced this to some degree in my own life. There have been people who went into a coma, lived an entirely different life for years, and when they woke up from the coma, were shocked to come back an grieved their loved ones from their parallel life.

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Wow, this is really fascinating. :folded_hands: I haven’t personally come across a case exactly like this, but I definitely wouldn’t dismiss the experience simply because the chronology doesn’t seem to make logical sense.

There are actually documented “overlap cases” in reincarnation research, where the supposed previous personality was still alive when the person who later reported memories of that life had already been born. Ian Stevenson documented several unusual cases like this, including the well-known Jasbir case. Later researchers have also written specifically about “overlapping lifespans” and cases with very short or even overlapping intervals between death and birth.

What really catches my attention here is that she had already felt something very strong and inexplicable when she first met the baby, before the PLR session. That makes the experience even more intriguing.

I would personally hold it very gently — document exactly what she experienced without trying to give her a definite interpretation. We may not have to immediately decide how it is possible for the experience to be meaningful.

Definitely one of those cases that makes you pause and go… “Okay, there’s more here that I don’t understand yet.” :folded_hands:

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There is a concept of soul fragments( split souls) a single soul can be present in many bodies at the same time also when we have a strong calling to do something and our ( one ) physical body doesn’t permit that then the soul splits and acquires different shapes and forms to fulfil the mission , promises or even pursue some creative talent .

These soul also decides to spilt sometimes under very traumatic situations or very strong emotional experiences.

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The most interesting part of this case, to me is not whether we can prove that the husband was reincarnated six months before his death, but what this experience may be trying to communicate.

There is a beautiful distinction here between chronological time and the way consciousness may experience time.

In ordinary waking life, we live with a very clear sequence… birth → life → death → another birth.

But in regression work, clients sometimes describe experiences that don’t fit neatly into that linear framework.

I would respond to @Shanthi in a way that honours the experience without immediately turning it into a literal fact because @Shanthi did not try to correct the client when the experience stopped making logical sense.

This, to me, is often where regression work becomes most interesting. When a client says something that doesn’t fit our understanding of time, our first instinct as human beings is to immediately say,

“But that is impossible.”

But, perhaps the better question inside a regression is–

“What does this experience mean to us?”

rather than

“How can this possibly happen?”

I have come across experiences in my own work where the client’s experience of time was not linear at all. There have been moments when a client moved between what appeared to be different lifetimes, emotions or identities without following the chronological sequence I would expect. And there have also been moments when I myself have had a very strong intuitive understanding during meditation — what I can only describe as a “download.”

I don’t mean that as proof of a supernatural event. For me, a download is more like suddenly knowing something without knowing how I know it.

It feels less like somebody giving you a sentence and more like a whole picture arriving at once.

One thing that has repeatedly stayed with me from such experiences is…perhaps consciousness does not always experience time in the same way that the human mind does.

We experience time like a railway track.

One station comes after another.

Birth is one station. Death is another. And reincarnation, if one accepts that framework, should logically come after death.

But consciousness may not necessarily experience itself through the same timetable.

I sometimes use the metaphor of a book.

When we are reading a book, we experience Chapter 1, then Chapter 2, then Chapter 3.

But the entire book already exists.

If consciousness were somehow able to perceive the whole book rather than only the page we are currently reading, perhaps what appears impossible to us could simply be something we don’t yet have a language for.

There is another metaphor I find even more useful — a movie reel.

We sit in a theatre and watch one frame after another, so naturally we experience a sequence. But the entire reel is already there. We are only watching it frame by frame.

Perhaps some regression experiences are not memories in the conventional sense at all. Perhaps they are symbolic constructions of the subconscious, emotional truths, archetypal material, spiritual beliefs or something about consciousness that we don’t yet understand.

And this is where I would be very careful with this particular case.

I would not tell the client-

“Yes, your husband’s soul definitely entered this baby six months before his death.”

We simply don’t have enough evidence to make that conclusion.

But I also wouldn’t tell her- “This is impossible, so your experience must be wrong.”

Both responses close the door too quickly.

I would instead stay curious.

I would ask her-

“What did you feel when you looked at that baby?”

“What exactly about the baby reminded you of your husband?”

“Was it his face, his eyes, his energy, his presence, a feeling of familiarity or something completely different?”

And perhaps most importantly-

“What did this experience change inside you regarding your husband’s death?”

Because remember why she came for the session.

She wasn’t originally trying to solve a reincarnation puzzle.

She came because she was grieving her husband.

She wanted to understand his death.

She wanted reassurance that he was okay.

And during the session, she experienced him as peaceful, happy, embracing her and telling her not to worry.

That may actually be the heart of the experience.

The baby may be one layer of the experience.

The encounter with the husband may be another.

The ancestors may be another.

And underneath all of it may be a grieving woman’s subconscious trying to process an enormous loss.

There is something else in this case that caught my attention…

She says that when she first saw the baby in waking life, she already had a strange feeling that something of her husband’s presence was somehow there.

This detail makes the case more intriguing because the association did not apparently begin during the regression.

But even here, I would remain open rather than definitive.

Human beings are extraordinarily sensitive to emotional familiarity. Sometimes a particular expression, gesture, mannerism, smell, gaze or even the emotional atmosphere around a person can activate a deep sense of recognition.

And sometimes, within a spiritual framework, people interpret that recognition as a soul connection.

We don’t necessarily have to decide immediately which explanation is correct.

We can allow the mystery to remain a mystery.

This is something I have personally learned through my own regression work.

There have been cases where, after the session, I have sat quietly in meditation because something in the session didn’t fit into my intellectual understanding.

And on one such occasion, I experienced what I can only describe as a very clear inner download.

The understanding that came to me was something along the lines of:

“Don’t force the soul to live inside the clock of the mind.”

It stayed with me.

Because perhaps this is exactly where we, as therapists, have to be careful.

Our job is not necessarily to explain every extraordinary experience.

Sometimes our job is simply to hold the space safely enough for the client to explore it.

A client can experience something spiritually profound without us having to certify its metaphysical explanation.

The most beautiful and humbling parts of regression work.is that we are working at the edge of what we understand.

And sometimes the most responsible response to an extraordinary experience is not, “I know what this means.”

It is - “Let’s stay curious and see what this experience means to you.”

There is also an important distinction between the truth of an experience and the literal truth of an interpretation.

The experience may be completely real to the client.

The love she felt may be real.

The relief may be real.

The sense of connection may be real.

The healing may be real.

But that does not automatically establish that the baby literally carried her husband’s soul six months before his physical death.

This distinction allows us to respect both spirituality and therapeutic responsibility.

And perhaps there is another possibility worth contemplating.

What if reincarnation isn’t always as simple as… Death → waiting → birth?

What if consciousness is much more multidimensional than our present understanding allows us to imagine?

Different spiritual traditions have spoken about souls, simultaneous experiences, multiple realities, ancestral consciousness and non-linear states of awareness in very different ways.

We don’t have to accept every interpretation.

But we also don’t have to dismiss an experience simply because our present model cannot accommodate it.

I would therefore encourage Shanthi to continue exploring the case gently, especially the emotional meaning of the baby, rather than trying to solve the chronology.

Sometimes the question itself becomes part of the healing. And perhaps the most beautiful question to leave this client with is not - “Was this really your husband?”

but,

“What did your heart understand in that moment that your logical mind is still trying to understand?”

Because sometimes the mind wants a timeline. The heart wants reassurance.

And the soul — if we choose to use that language — may simply be asking us to sit quietly with the mystery.

Maybe we don’t always need to close the mystery.

Maybe sometimes healing begins when we can finally say -

“I don’t completely understand what happened… but something inside me was deeply touched by it.”

And as therapists, perhaps this is enough for us to hold — with curiosity, humility, compassion and very gentle feet on the ground.

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:100: this is whole essence of this work!! I just experienced one of the downloads today and then came across your post, so that’s my validation! I’m vibing today after a long break! Thank you :folded_hands:t2:

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Thank you for sharing this. :folded_hands: The idea of soul fragments being present through different bodies simultaneously is really interesting, especially the possibility that strong emotional or traumatic experiences could be connected to such fragmentation.

This is still a new area for me, so I’m curious to explore it further and understand how this concept relates to what my client experienced. Your explanation gives me another perspective to look into. Thank you! :herb:

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Wow, thank you so much for sharing this perspective. :folded_hands: I wasn’t aware of the overlap cases documented by Ian Stevenson, so that gives me another interesting direction to explore.

Yes, what really made me pause was that she had already experienced that strong, inexplicable feeling when she first met the baby—long before the PLR session. And then she independently described the same connection repeatedly during the session.

I completely agree with your approach of holding it gently and documenting the experience without trying to force a definite interpretation. For me too, this case is more about staying curious and exploring something I don’t yet understand rather than trying to immediately explain it.

Definitely one of those cases that makes you stop and think, “There’s something here I need to understand better.” :folded_hands::herb:

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Oh wow, that’s another whole level of understanding! :folded_hands: Sometimes these concepts are difficult for us to digest because they’re so far beyond what we normally experience in our everyday lives. But I feel it’s important to stay open to possibilities that we may not yet understand.

The examples you shared are really fascinating, especially the experiences of people living an entire parallel life during a coma. That’s such an interesting perspective to consider in relation to my client’s experience.

I’d definitely like to explore all of this further. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective and for that wonderful example. Really fascinating to know! :folded_hands::herb:

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Thank you so much for sharing this perspective. :folded_hands: Yes, her deep love and attachment to her husband could have played a significant role in this experience. Perhaps the reassurance she received during the session was exactly what she needed emotionally—to feel that she was not alone.

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Thank you so much for this detailed perspective. :folded_hands: I really appreciate the way you have looked at the experience through the experiential, temporal, and psychological lenses without immediately settling on one explanation.

I especially agree with your point about subjective experience and objective chronology being two different things. That is exactly what made me pause and bring this case to the group—I don’t want to impose an interpretation, but I also don’t want to dismiss something simply because it doesn’t fit our usual understanding of time.

Your point about documenting such experiences prospectively is also very valuable. Recording the exact statements, sequence, what was known beforehand, and what can be verified afterwards could definitely help us understand whether these are isolated experiences or part of a recurring pattern.

For me too, the most important takeaway at this stage is to stay curious and allow the experience to unfold without rushing to label it. Thank you for giving me another framework through which to look at this case. :folded_hands::herb: